Mara Glatzel
Mara Glatzel is an intuitive coach, author and podcast host. I wanted to interview her about the launch of her book Needy, which came out in February 2023.
We talked about:
what she thinks worked best for her launch
what she would do differently next time
how to launch while taking care of your own needs.
Listen to our interview here.
You can find out more about Mara at maraglatzel.com, follow her @maraglatzel or buy her book here.
Here’s an AI transcript of our interview, with apologies for the many errors in transcription:
00:00:03 Sophy
So welcome to behind the book launch. I'm your host, Sophy Dale, and today I am interviewing the fabulous Mara Glatzel about the launch of her book, Needy, which came out a few months ago.
00:00:15 Sophy
Mara is an intuitive coach, writer, and podcast host. She's a needy human who helps other needy humans stop abandoning themselves and start reclaiming their humanity through embracing their needs and honouring their natural energy cycles. So welcome, Mara.
00:00:32 Mara
Thank you. Thanks for having me.
00:00:35 Sophy
So what I hoped you could do for us in this conversation is just talk people through your launch process so that it's easier to imagine ourselves into that point in the in the book writing and publishing process, and so I wondered if you could kind of think yourself back to before you were even in the actual launch stage. But once you had, you know, signed the contract and we're starting work with the publisher in earnest.
00:01:09 Sophy
Do you even remember, like when you first started talking to the publisher about the launch side of things as opposed to the writing side of things?
00:01:20 Mara
Yeah, I didn't start talking to the publisher about launch things until what I would now deem much too late.
00:01:29
Yeah, that's what I'm hearing as a theme with other people I've spoken to.
00:01:32 Mara
And you know, there was this kind of you should start really early. You should start your planning early, but being a first time author, I didn't know what I was supposed to be doing? It's sort of like when you're pregnant and it seems like you have so much time and then all of a sudden you're, you know, your water is broken and you're assembling a crib at the same time.
00:01:56 Mara
That's kind of what the book launch process felt like.
00:01:59 Mara
Oh, there's plenty of time for that.
00:02:02 Mara
Until you're really underneath it and there's not time.
00:02:06 Mara
So the other piece of this that I have to mention is that you know, my work is primarily for recovering perfectionists, recovering control freaks. Those of us who like to do things perfectly, especially when you are in this very visible place. So the entire book launch process was excruciating for me because you are constantly caught in the act of doing something new.
00:02:38 Mara
And being on this side of it, knowing myself, I know any launch after this will be infinitely better, because you'll have a better understanding of what to expect and how to set things up. But this book launch felt it was kind of like you know, being pantsed in public every day for many, many months.
00:02:59 Sophy
It's even worse than pregnancy in that sense in that at least you’re not being visibly documented throughout the process when you’re pregnant.
00:03:06 Mara
Yeah. And so I do really want to mention that because I think there are a lot of emotions. There's a lot of anxiety.
00:03:12 Mara
There's a lot of that being new at something, not being sure, kind of there's so much information about how to launch a book and also no information simultaneously.
00:03:24 Mara
And you have this idea that there's a right and wrong way to do it, but you don't know.
00:03:29 Mara
What that is?
00:03:30 Mara
And you assume the publisher is going to tell you, and they sort of assume.
00:03:35 Mara
You know things that you don't because you know that's how it works, right? They're in that world all the time, so.
00:03:41 Mara
So they think, well, maybe some of these things should go without saying. And you're from, like, I need to be like, tell it to me like I'm five years old every single day.
00:03:54 Mara
So from that perspective, I was really focused on writing a good book, as I think many of us.
00:04:02 Mara
And I spent my time with my publisher, you know, going back and forth, writing the book. I was surprised by how many edits needed to happen. How much Just revision there was of the material and so I was really focused on that part because that's, you know.
00:04:22 Mara
Writer, right? So this other piece of then figuring out how to launch the book.
00:04:28 Mara
I do wish that I had started early and I wish that what I had started on was this.
00:04:34 Mara
What comes naturally to me and what do I most like to do?
00:04:42 Mara
Because there's a million ways to gain visibility and you will be subject to all of them. But if you're able to be really thoughtful about what is a good fit for you in particular. So for me in particular. I am a great fit for public speaking for podcast recording, for teaching to live audiences, virtual and in person.
You could kind of wake me up in the middle of the night, 2:00 AM, throw microphone in front of me, and I would just start talking like that requires. I don't have any anxiety about prep. I don't have any stress about whether I'm going to say something or I'm not going to say something.I have done this enough that I feel very comfortable and it is low energy and also enjoyable. It gives me some energy to have these kinds of conversations.
00:05:36 Mara
So I when I thought about what I would do for my launch, I wanted to heavily focus on podcast interviews.
00:05:47 Mara
Because that was a medium that I was really comfortable in and I set myself a goal that I would be on 100 podcasts or do 100 speaking opportunities.
00:05:56 Sophy
Wow, Mara 100.
00:05:58 Mara
And I have to tell you this is like my 85th and we're only halfway through the year, I am very tired.
00:06:08 Mara
It's not that I don't know that I would recommend it, but I knew that I needed to do a lot of visibility and that was a way that just was comfortable for me.
You know, I have a lot of friends like you who I feel, you know, I love catching up with.
00:06:25 Mara
I love talking to like that. Felt helpful. What I am not good at and do not like to do and would do definitely very differently.
00:06:34 Mara
This time is to have this ended up being my business manager and it ended up being great. But what I realised that I needed during the launch process was a small group of people to support me who had read the book and were invested in the book and were able to kind of hold that confidence.
00:06:54 Mara
For me, when I couldn't.
00:06:56 Mara
Because it starts to get a little touch and go as you get closer.
00:07:00 Mara
And it's really useful to have people speaking on your behalf, who can have that confidence about your work when you are coming in and out of a dark place around that, you know, it's like sometimes it felt great. Sometimes it felt terrible. Sometimes I felt smart. Sometimes I felt like the biggest loser on the planet.
00:07:18 Mara
And so having a few people that you're touching point with, that might be doing some of that, holding confidence on your behalf is so is such a sweet gift that you can give to yourself.
00:07:31 Mara
Because a lot of the things that I typically manage for myself, I really struggled the closer that we got to the launch.
00:07:38 Mara
So, you know, having whatever could be one person but not being pitching on your own behalf as much as possible. Of course there's, you know, some privilege to that.
00:07:50 Mara
But I found that for me I could show up on the podcast and do a great job, but pitching the podcast felt like.
00:07:58 Mara
I well, we'll just say this, there were about 15 podcasts that I was set to pitch myself in January and they remain unpitched so.
00:08:10 Sophy
I think that tells us.
00:08:11 Sophy
What we need to know?
00:08:12 Mara
That's, that's me. So, but you know that that idea of, I understand I'm going to have to be more visible than I feel comfortable.
00:08:23 Mara
And also I have do have choices about what that looks like. You know, for some people that's writing guest articles, writing guest posts, you know, writing news, I could barely e-mail my list during this time.
00:08:37 Mara
I felt as though I had zero words left to offer anybody.
00:08:42 Mara
And I was like I mentioned the book once.
00:08:44 Mara
I mean, come on.
00:08:45 Mara
They either bought it or did it.
00:08:47 Mara
Which is not I would recommend.
00:08:49 Mara
To nobody but.
00:08:51 Mara
For me, I just noticed. Wow, OK, writing is really hard.
00:08:54 Mara
So I'm not going to do that. I mean, I did a little, but I I focused on other things. I focused on what came easily because you know you have to do something and best.
00:09:07 Mara
To find the sweet spot is like, what do I do well and also enjoy.
00:09:17 Sophy
So when when you did perhaps too late in the process to start talking to the publisher about the launch, how involved?
00:09:27 Sophy
How much was it a partnership between you and the publisher to decide what you did? How much did you bring to the table with this is what I'm going to do and how much were the things where they insisted or very strongly wanted to drive you in a particular direction.
00:09:43 Mara
I have a great publisher. They were very open to, you know, I also I have a business. So I have a a sense of what my audience likes.
00:09:54 Mara
I have a sense of marketing things for myself already.
00:09:58 Mara
And also I I am creatively interested in that process. So what happened with the publisher was we engaged, we started this kind of dance where they said, OK, here's.
00:10:12 Mara
All of the things.
00:10:13 Mara
And I said.
00:10:14 Mara
OK, I'm gonna wait for you to take the lead and they're like, OK, we're waiting for you to take the lead.
00:10:19 Mara
And I was like, OK, but surely you're going to take the lead. And they said no, but you got this.
00:10:24 Mara
And I said no, but.
00:10:25 Mara
I don't. So that went on for.
00:10:27 Mara
A lot of months, until all of a sudden.
00:10:31 Mara
You know the the book.
00:10:32 Mara
Was coming very imminently and I Felt under a lot of pressure to then make something out of nothing.
00:10:46 Mara
So if I could zoom it back a couple of months. Probably what I would have done, I would have started thinking about these things from six months out.
And if I could afford somebody to do PR on my behalf, I would engage somebody to do PR on my behalf from three months before book launch to three months after book.
00:11:08 Mara
PR people are expensive. So that's why I didn't do it. But you may have the resources and if you do, it makes your life infinitely easier, especially if you're interested in print placements around your book launch. I did not have any of those, and I was desperately jealous about that.
00:11:30 Mara
But you know you want somebody who is trained and is going to have connections is going to give you the kind of, you know, launch that you're looking for.
00:11:38 Mara
And there are plenty of people who offer that. But I would start thinking about it six months out and I would Think you know what, What is already in my community? Who can I reach out to again? So I reached out to everybody that I have been on a podcast with before.
00:11:58 Mara
They all said yes, which was very sweet. Many of them do not permit repeat guests. They allowed me to come back, which was very kind. I started looking for. I did hire somebody to make me a list of I think 150 podcasts that I would be a good fit for and then had my business manager trained to do that pitching on my behalf, so she at about two months to book launch had started that process now.
00:12:37 Mara
For me, it didn't really matter because I presumed that I would be doing PR. You know, podcast engagements throughout the year.
00:12:48 Mara
I wasn't so hyper focused on everything has to be out the week of my book launch. I was not anticipating being on any big book lists.
00:13:00 Mara
That wasn't really a thing, so you know, I I didn't care about when the the launch date of those podcasts were, so we just kind of focused on, you know, between now and September, the beginning of the year in September.
00:13:15 Mara
So we just started pitching and because I had decided that was the piece that I was going to focus on the most, that's where I put.
00:13:24 Mara
A lot of my energy.
00:13:27 Mara
The second thing that I would do is think about people who I wanted to send early copies to and in what form this I I love a care package.
00:13:41 Mara
I love an unboxing. I wish that I had started this process earlier so it could have been prettier.
00:13:48 Mara
Than it was. But I also think it's really useful to have some.
00:13:56 Mara
Sweet sort of things around your book. You know, I ended up making some stickers. That was really fun. I sent boxes that had, like, some self-care treats because my books all about meeting your needs. So some different fun things in it.
00:14:11 Mara
But again, getting creative about how you can access your network and friends of friends. People did ask me if they could help me.
00:14:21 Mara
I did take them up on it.
00:14:23 Mara
That's not usually something I love to do, but I practised it. You know, there's a lot of bravery that's involved.
00:14:31 Mara
In a book launch, and there's a lot of acceptance of, OK.
00:14:35 Mara
You know, if I wrote this book and I have to now back it publicly.
00:14:43 Mara
And I don't know that I have ever publicly backed anything in the way that I did this book and.
00:14:52 Mara
There was a lot of emotional, nervous system therapeutic support, making sure I ate breakfast, lunch and dinner and drank a lot of water rested, that went into what it's like to say, hey, I wrote this book and I think it's worth.
00:15:12 Mara
You reading it?
00:15:14 Mara
And we underestimate how uncomfortable that can be. And of course, it's great to engage people, to speak.
00:15:20 Mara
On our behalf.
00:15:22 Mara
I feel very fortunate to have friends who, you know, I've I've supported over the years. They were very happy to support me in return and to make it as fun as possible.
00:15:36 Mara
And I started noticing as the time came closer when I started thinking about speaking engagements or situations where I would be in front of people and I found myself getting really nervous.
00:15:47 Mara
Whenever I would just.
00:15:48 Mara
Hate something or want to resist it? I would ask myself if there was a way to make it more fun, more enjoyable, more celebratory for me. So I did hit a block when it came to doing any kind of live book.
00:16:10 Mara
And that was both like Instagram live events, which I did interviews on Instagram and also live in person. And so I made a decision.
00:16:18 Mara
It was like a bring a friend model where I didn't do anything without somebody awesome, who I admired, who would be there to kind of hype me up.
00:16:28 Mara
At that event.
00:16:30 Mara
And that worked really well because again, you know people are excited to celebrate you and let them right and you don't have to do everything alone, any, any place where it felt as though I was carrying it all by myself. I quickly started to crumble because it was too much managing my own.
00:16:52 Mara
Self doubt and also all of the external particulars was a lot of work and so bringing people in.
00:17:01 Mara
A friend, you know, we I had this book launch party when my book came out and.
00:17:07 Mara
I was planning on reading a very small amount at that party and my friends were like you need somebody to introduce you.
00:17:15 Mara
Like you just stand up there.
00:17:17 Mara
Like you need somebody introduce you. And so I had this person who is a is a friend of mine but not, you know, super close. But I know who's a really comfortable public speaker.
00:17:28 Mara
And I asked her and.
00:17:32 Mara
You know what I really want?
00:17:33 Mara
To say is that every time I asked people and I was so uncomfortable doing that, people said yes.
00:17:40 Sophy
And it's not even just that people say yes. I think people are really happy to be part of a celebratory thing, like a book launch. You know what I mean? It's like it's a lovely thing to ask somebody to do. It's not a horrible chore.
00:17:53 Mara
Yeah, and this is almost weirder.
00:17:58 Mara
Than having everyone not care or hate it. Honestly, you know, people in my work with needs. People always say well, it's like actually when you ask for what you need and then it's coming. Receiving can be the the hardest thing. And for me it was with this you know.
00:18:15 Mara
Getting peoples praise receiving people's kind words about the book receiving offers for support. You know, people were really excited and.
00:18:28 Mara
There were so many moments where I presumed, falsely, that I was the only one who cared about the book, and that wasn't true.
00:18:33 Mara
And so I think that opening to receive is another part of this process asking for help and then receiving it when it arrives.
00:18:41 Sophy
Huge, huge. So out of all the various different things that you did is there anything that you feel like if I was going to do it again, I just wouldn't bother doing that one thing. Anything that you felt just didn't really move the needle?
00:19:04 Mara
Something that didn't really work was my pre-order campaign.
00:19:12 Sophy
Right.
00:19:17 Mara
I can't say It didn't work.
00:19:18 Mara
But it there was always something. There was like a kink in the works.
00:19:24 Mara
That I couldn't figure out.
00:19:26 Mara
And you know what's true is that you need People to pre-order yourBook what is also true is that Oh, it's just always changing. You know what people care about when it comes to that kind of thing.
00:19:44 Mara
So being really thoughtful about what you can offer your audience that they want.
00:19:50 Mara
UM andThat they're preordering your book.I think that I could have done more around getting people excited like this is a little bit of a heartbreaking point for me because I wanted I wanted like my community to be really excited that my book was coming out.
00:20:15 Mara
And I can't say that they weren't excited.
00:20:18 Mara
But there wasn't, like.
00:20:19 Mara
That like frenzy that I could, you know that you like.
00:20:22 Mara
Hope there will be like you've been.
00:20:24 Mara
Asking for a book for a million years and I wrote one and now it is time for the book to be here.
00:20:30
Like, are you not excited? And they were like.
00:20:32 Mara
Yeah, it's coming in the mail like excited.
00:20:36 Mara
Mara, I'm excited.
00:20:39 Mara
But you know, I think that managing your expectations of that and also thinking about cause like my publisher they we released like a sample chapter. I don't think anybody cared about that.
00:20:56 Mara
I think I would have done more.
00:20:59 Mara
You get a ticket to this live thing because again, right, what do I like to do like writing?
00:21:03 Sophy
Yeah, I was just thinking that as you were speaking. Yeah, yeah.
00:21:05 Mara
Stuff like ohh.
00:21:07 Mara
So you know.
00:21:08 Mara
You get a ticket to this awesome thing.
00:21:10 Mara
You know, if you buy a book.
00:21:12 Mara
You if you buy a couple.
00:21:14 Mara
Of books, you get a ticket to an.
00:21:15 Mara
Even more awesome thing.
00:21:18 Mara
So I would have been more thoughtful about that. I would have done a more robust early reader crew if I were to do it again.
00:21:28 Mara
Where you know I.Had I I did have a few early readers, people who received like advanced copies to help, like hype up the book and talk about it.
00:21:39 Mara
But again, these were the things it's like. I just started it too late in the game. It was too disorganised. I didn't have. I really benefit from thinking about things for a long time. That's how I run my business. If you were to look in my office on the wall behind my computer, there's all of the courses.
00:21:55 Mara
There's like papers up for all of the courses that I teach, and I just like I write a thing down and I think about it.
00:22:00 Mara
I write a thing down and so you know, starting back out at that six month Mark, really thinking about.
00:22:07 Mara
Well, what can I do? That would be fun for me and also that people really want.
00:22:16 Mara
And you know.
00:22:16 Mara
This phase for me felt a lot.
00:22:18 Mara
Like throwing spaghetti at the wall, which is why I hated it so much because I was like, oh, I'm doing this and no.
00:22:23 Mara
OK, publicly. Now nobody wants that. Great. Awesome. This was not a time where I had a a very thick skin for things not being successful. So not that you can guarantee.
00:22:37 Mara
Everything's going to be successful, but part of it was that I was just pulling things together at the last minute because I had to.
00:22:45 Mara
So starting a little bit out, really being thoughtful about how what you can offer people which makes pre ordering your book a no brainer.
00:22:56 Sophy
Yeah, that makes so much sense and it ties in so much with my experience with my own clients that the earlier we start planning, the more because if you can plan it far enough in advance, it can be fun and it can feel creative and you can really pull other people into the momentum, whereas if you're scrambling at the last minute you feel stressed and anxious about it and It it's unlikely to generate that kind of sense of positive energy and creativity out coming out of that kind of nervous energy.
00:23:27 Mara
And there's so much to be done, I mean.
00:23:31 Mara
You know, there I've been part of a lot of conversations about people who are entrepreneurs, who have released books about how their businesses have suffered during the time of, you know, up to book launch and after book launch.
00:23:47 Mara
And I would say that if you are listening to this and you're an entrepreneur, that's something that is so vital.
00:23:55 Mara
Further than six months out, thinking about how to like the least you can do to keep your income as stable as possible so that you have available time, energy and cash to devote to the launch process because it.
00:24:13 Mara
I was prepared for that.
00:24:17 Mara
But you know, I I had.
00:24:21 Mara
I prepared for that, but I.
00:24:22 Mara
Also, was starting this new course. This new community kind of at the same.
00:24:28 Mara
Time, which I also was brand new at.
00:24:31 Mara
So that was just.
00:24:32 Mara
A comedy of errors on my behalf.
00:24:34 Mara
Whereas I could have run a really popular.
00:24:37 Mara
Programme that was infinitely, financially and otherwise successful. Easy for me to run content was already written. I just could have just run that another year like that would have been.
00:24:48 Mara
And really nice gift to myself. And I didn't go that road. We all do things but.
00:24:55 Mara
You know I.
00:24:55 Mara
Wasn't really prepared that.
00:24:59 Mara
Launching this book would be I I mean I genuinely don't know how people who are in straight nine to five jobs do it because it was. It took so much.
00:25:11 Mara
Time and I said, you know, I've been on 85 podcasts in the first half of the year. I was doing multiple podcasts every single day.
00:25:21 Mara
It was really, really busy and it felt like I could work on it all day long and then wake up and work on it all day long the next day and there was just. It wasn't that. It was.
00:25:31 Mara
Oh, I didn't feel.
00:25:32 Mara
Like hustle or grindy. I didn't feel particularly stressed. It just felt like there were so many things to do.
00:25:41 Mara
And that surprised me. So I do want to share that because I I don't think.
00:25:46 Mara
I had considered.
00:25:48 Mara
How many different things? Different details, different.
00:25:54 Mara
And again, I'm pretty committed to not doing things in a a hairy kind of stressful way. And and that was true for this launch. I did not.
00:26:01 Mara
Not, but I still it was.
00:26:03 Mara
Like there was a mountain of stuff to do and I just kind of chipped away at it every day. There's still a mountain shipped away that every day.
00:26:10 Mara
And it, and it was a lot.
00:26:12 Sophy
Yeah, I mean one of the things I say to clients when they're in the early stages of even thinking about is this something they're truly going to commit to, and are they going to commit to it? You know, like within the next year and so on is it's really like starting a second business.
00:26:28 Sophy
And running that business in parallel with your existing business and you kind of have to think of it as being on that scale in terms of the time it's going to take and the mental bandwidth and that kind of push to create any momentum and and so on. It's it is huge. I I truly believe that the benefits are huge too and that you know, it's worth it in the end. But it's it's easy from outside the books world to see books on shelves in bookstores and and not have any sense of the scale of the enterprise and and and to to get that book onto that shelf. So yeah, I think it it cannot really be overemphasised.
00:27:10 Mara
Yeah. And I had I had fully considered that when it came to writing the book.
00:27:15 Sophy
Yes, but I think it's this whole extra dimension.
00:27:18 Mara
Yeah, I had carved out time and space and I was writing I writing schedule all this stuff and then I was like, OK, books written.
00:27:27 Mara
I know and.
00:27:28 Sophy
You know you're now at the foot of the mountain.
00:27:30 Sophy
You're at base camp at this point.
00:27:31 Mara
Yeah, yeah, that was.
00:27:34 Mara
Definitely surprising for me.
00:27:39 Mara
And I think I had a fairly calm launch. I mean, I think some people have, you know, my agent has clients who were around the time that my book came out hitting the New York Times bestseller list. And so I had this view of some of these people's.
00:27:54 Mara
Launches and they were.
00:27:56 Mara
Truly out of hand.
00:27:59 Mara
So you know.
00:28:02 Mara
It is kind of wild to think about what that looks like and you know what your goals are and what works best for you in particular.
00:28:14 Sophy
OK. Well, thank you so much. I'm just looking back over the questions that I wanted to make sure that I asked you, but I think actually in the course of the conversation we we have covered it because one of the things I really wanted to talk to you in particular about was, you know, honouring your own needs through a book launch and so on because you obviously have a dual ability to speak on that topic.
00:28:34 Sophy
But I think I think we really have covered that, so.
00:28:37 Mara
Can I say one more thing about that?
00:28:40 Mara
This is really important. This part is really important and.
00:28:46 Mara
I I wove it in because this is how I live and also obviously what I teach. But many of us are accustomed to when things are big and challenging, putting our needs on the back burner, and we see oh, you.
00:29:00 Mara
Know this is.
00:29:02 Mara
A finite amount of time that I'll be launching this book and I'll get back to taking care of myself.
00:29:10 Mara
That is such a recipe for disaster and also a recipe for you not really being able to integrate and digest the experience.
00:29:20 Mara
You know, I said to my partner the other day that the day that my book came out was the first celebratory day, like that of my life, that I did not disassociate.
00:29:31 Mara
And that includes my wedding and the birth of my children, and pretty much every happy memory that has come before this.
00:29:38 Mara
And I attribute that.
00:29:39 Mara
To really bringing my body with me during the process and by that I mean.
00:29:47 Mara
I religiously fed myself three meals a day. I took all of my supplements. I slept, you know, I mean.
00:29:58 Mara
That those things becoming a non negotiable really ensured that my energy was as stable as possible so that I could expand from that point and so many of us.
00:30:11 Mara
Are accustomed to patterns of extraction and exploiting ourselves, and, you know, pouring coffee on top of it and worrying about the consequences later.
00:30:22 Mara
And I really encourage you to during the process of your own book launch, be thoughtful about what you need. You know what feeds you for me, having stable blood sugar is a game.
00:30:36 Mara
That is the the difference between me in a moment of self doubt just kind of melting into a puddle of hysteria on the floor and me saying, OK, I'm doing something really big right now and I am feeling doubt and that's all right.
00:30:51 Mara
I'm getting on this podcast and I'm smiling and I'm talking about my book.
00:30:54 Mara
Anyway, and you really need that.
00:30:57 Mara
You really need that and so bring yourself for the process. I was in therapy. I was getting body work. I was sleeping trying to sleep.
00:31:08 Mara
Slathering myself in magnesium so I could sleep. So you know, whatever those things.
00:31:13 Mara
Are for you. Let that be.
00:31:15 Mara
At the front of your list and not.
00:31:17 Mara
As an afterthought.
00:31:18 Sophy
And if I could add that your own book would be an ideal thing for somebody.
00:31:22 Mara
Yeah. No. Yeah, yeah.
00:31:22 Sophy
Else to to use for that process and and a further recommendation is I am not normally an audiobook person, but I got Needy on audiobook and it does genuinely feel their listeners as if Mara is talking to you personally and talking you through the process. So.
00:31:39 Sophy
I would recommend thinking about that even if you are not an audiobook person, so Mara, can you please share with people listening where the best place is for them to.
00:31:45 Mara
So proud of.
00:31:52 Sophy
Find out more about you.
00:31:54 Mara
Yeah, you can come hang out with me at maraglatzel.com. You'll find the book.
00:31:59 Mara
There you'll find a fun quiz that you can take about figuring out what you need right now and some really good resources and all of my offerings. You can also find me on Instagram at Mara Glatzel.
00:32:13 Sophy
Oh, and I wanted to mention that Mara has an absolutely amazing sounding retreat coming up later on this year, which, if you did wish to go away and dream your way into your ideal book and ideal book launch, I think that would be a very good way to do that. I think details for that are on your website.
00:32:32 Mara
Yeah, we're going to be in Tuscany in October and we'll take care of you. We're going to pick you up at the airport and take care of you for a whole week and then drop you back off well rested. That's perfect. OK. Well, thank you so much, Mara.
00:32:46 Mara
Thank you. This has been great.